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Post by Khys on Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:32 pm

Motives, intentions, and other such things are constantly being projected on us.

They don't understand our detached observation.

They don't understand our curiosity.

They don't understand our view of community.

Let's use this forum as an example. It's not a gossip forum or an "exclusive" forum or a "hiding" forum. It's just unmoderated. Also more ISTP-centric. Why can't the motive end there?

Even the sense of community....I think ISTPs prefer a smaller environment to make themselves comfortable and then go out and explore. The ISTP subforum on PerC got uncomfortable. I like all you jerks, and I like interacting with you. DJ felt the same way. So this forum exists.

Well actually DJ got all big and dreamy and was like "THIS ISTP FORUM IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD AND EXPLAIN ISTP TO EVERYBODY" but then he stopped being an ISTP, so I guess that isn't such a big deal now. =P

Anyways, whatever. I keep trying to explain ISTP and nobody gets it. They say "that's not what people are like."

I got all like, intent on my point for a minute there. Now I'm apathetic again.
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Re: Nobody understands the Observational Nature of the ISTP

Post by MXZCCT on Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:39 pm

There are too many shallow people in this world to have an interest in ISTP's. But its also hard to understand the nature of a person who analyzes the external world while keeping the majority of his/her emotions and thoughts to ourselves.


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Re: Nobody understands the Observational Nature of the ISTP

Post by Khys on Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:43 pm

We had a Pinky and the Brain moment. I was Pinky.


Anyways, yes. Detached Analysis. That's where I live.

Why did the ISTP climb the mountain? Because it was there.

Why did the ISTP observe something? Because it was there.


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Post by MXZCCT on Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:50 pm

Duck is going to get a woody when he comes across this thread.

Anyways...

I find that the majority of individuals lack the degree of curiosity that the ISTP, or the introverted thinker in general, possesses. It's depressing and frustrating in a way, because I'm reminded how lonely it can be every so often.

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Post by The Door on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:06 pm

It is true but it's our own fault. I know damn well I don't make it easy for people to understand me and we just have to accept that.

Despite people's intentions and opinions of me, I'm a pretty happy person.

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Post by Duck_of_Death on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:14 pm

MXZCCT wrote:Duck is going to get a woody when he comes across this thread.

I would hope so as I maintain a permanent hard-on.


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Post by Duck_of_Death on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:19 pm

Another thing I would like to add:
Maybe they're the ones who don't understand themselves?
'Cause every person that pulls this shit on me in real life is severely lacking in the self-awareness department.


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Re: Nobody understands the Observational Nature of the ISTP

Post by MXZCCT on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:20 pm

Duck_of_Death wrote:
MXZCCT wrote:Duck is going to get a woody when he comes across this thread.

I would hope so as I maintain a permanent hard-on.

You gotta stop putting that viagra in your pudding.
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Re: Nobody understands the Observational Nature of the ISTP

Post by Khys on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:22 pm

Duck_of_Death wrote:Another thing I would like to add:
Maybe they're the ones who don't understand themselves?
'Cause every person that pulls this shit on me in real life is severely lacking in the self-awareness department.

Most people lack self-awareness.

The tendency to project runs rampant.

Heck it's even in the bible.
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Post by Duck_of_Death on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:28 pm

The Bible...I never read that book. Is it better than Narnia?
You know what? Don't answer that question. Rhetorical.

Hell, I'll even admit that I project from time to time. It happens. Nonetheless, I apply that wonderful Se-Ni knockout combination to see if the behavioral patterns match the end result or motivation(s) with people.

Most assholes use Fe. "Hey! We're going to get together and coerce you via strength in numbers!"

This is where I reference the finale of Unforgiven.
Didn't work out so well for Gene Hackman, did it?


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Re: Nobody understands the Observational Nature of the ISTP

Post by Khys on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:34 pm

I used to project a lot before I developed some Fe.

Now I'm really vigilant about it, and I check myself before pointing out anything I think I see in others.

I consider that an element of "maturity."


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Post by mcgooglian on Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:11 pm

"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, but what if the chicken won't wear the nylons?"
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Re: Nobody understands the Observational Nature of the ISTP

Post by Thinkist on Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:31 am

khys wrote:I consider that an element of "maturity."

Indeed it is, that and a mature Ni (which should remind ISTPs to think carefully about the possibilities before proceeding (Se), and maybe even plan them out). Fe should remind ISTPs (and INTPs) to become more cooperative and expressive of themselves (which is of course a direct contrast to the detached, independent nature of Ti). Fe should also remind ISTPs to just accept those whom are illogical, or not fair-minded. Like with INTPs, ISTPs should realize that not everyone can match the Ti perspectives of fast, logical learning. TP types apparently have trouble accepting that which is illogical, which can appear somewhat ironic when you consider the whole coldish "deal with it" attitude that they express, and especially ISTPs. Although who knows? Underdeveloped Fe in TP types may manifest itself as being used for the purposes of oneself (exploitation, for example), rather than for the greater good, as with FJ types. TPs seem to be fair-minded, although the competitive ones may not seem so fair when things lean in their favor. That is the sort of underdeveloped Fe I'm talking about.

Ideally, the well-balanced ISTP should have:
  • Ti for a sense of competency, logical structure and order, problem solving, immunity to the sensitivity that can come with criticism, a sense of individualism (a personal way of thinking, not the Fi individualism), and finally, witty, sarcastic, smartass humor (that can sometimes be biting) Very Happy
  • Se for realism, good esthetic taste, physical well-being, physical and sensory awareness, and a knack for taking things "as-is."
  • Ni for a sense of wisdom, a will to plan things out, creativity, ability to not always take things at face value (when appropriate), a sense of caution, and a sense of self-responsibility
  • Fe for a greater sense of responsibility, morality, coping skills (with those who think differently or aren't fair minded), a cooperative streak, full expressiveness, and an ability to care for others on a personal level, no matter the circumstances.


The 8 multiple intelligences can even be attributed to the ISTP's functions:

  • Bodily/Kinesthetic: Se mostly
  • Intrapersonal: Ti and Ni mostly
  • Interpersonal: mostly Fe, followed by Se
  • Logical/Mathematical: Ti
  • Musical: Se mostly
  • Naturalist: any of the functions could play a role here
  • Verbal/Linguistic: any of the functions, but especially Ni
  • Visual/Spatial: Se mostly


The same can be said for ESTPs, INFJs and ENFJs.

Still though, it kinda sucks that some people just don't get the "detatched rational thinking type," be it an Enneatype 5 or an IxTx or TP type. The same can even be said for the "detached emotional feeling types" as well, be it an Enneatype 4 or an IxFx or FP type (as an Fe user, I fall into this category). Anyone who is extroverted (ESxx mostly) or shallow is most prone to misunderstanding these types, and trying to coerce them out of their shells. I'm specifically thinking of the prejudiced-attitude ESTJs, although any extrovert could easily be tempted to drag an introvert out of their shell, for whatever reason. These people need to discover their introverted side and get some self-awareness and intrapersonal intelligence more than anyone else.



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Re: Nobody understands the Observational Nature of the ISTP

Post by Thinkist on Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:49 am

MXZCCT wrote:
I find that the majority of individuals lack the degree of curiosity that the ISTP, or the introverted thinker in general, possesses. It's depressing and frustrating in a way, because I'm reminded how lonely it can be every so often.

Be glad, however, that ITPs are very unique nerds, and some of the fastest and most observant learners are Ti-doms.

And of course it can seem lonely. After all, ITPs learn in very special ways. Their need to learn fast and "just get it" may also take a toll on others. Not to mention the independence factor. If you think (or rather, feel) that it's lonely, that's probably your Fe surfacing. The ITP at some point in their life will get lonely, and may experience an overwhelming need to connect with others on a personal and emotional level.


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Post by DJ Arendee on Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:51 am

hey I'm still ambitious. I just don't know what else to do to advertise for it, unless you guys all want to go on the internet, grab a random photo of some hot breasted babes and go on youtube, make a video of just that picture with the ISTP SANCTUM written somewhere in there, with a link in the description, I'd be happy. But if I had my way we'd change this forum to the "Asshole Sanctum." But for the sake of consistency and what little popularity and namesake we have, it will remain.
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Re: Nobody understands the Observational Nature of the ISTP

Post by MXZCCT on Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:40 am

DJ Arendee wrote:hey I'm still ambitious. I just don't know what else to do to advertise for it, unless you guys all want to go on the internet, grab a random photo of some hot breasted babes and go on youtube, make a video of just that picture with the ISTP SANCTUM written somewhere in there, with a link in the description, I'd be happy. But if I had my way we'd change this forum to the "Asshole Sanctum." But for the sake of consistency and what little popularity and namesake we have, it will remain.

Well you did kind of ruin the credibility of this forum when the founder, that would be you, decided he wasn't an ISTP no more, and practically yelled from the roof tops that you are now an ENTJ. Your acting like you have some form disassociative identity disorder.
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Re: Nobody understands the Observational Nature of the ISTP

Post by MXZCCT on Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:43 am

Thinkist wrote:
MXZCCT wrote:
I find that the majority of individuals lack the degree of curiosity that the ISTP, or the introverted thinker in general, possesses. It's depressing and frustrating in a way, because I'm reminded how lonely it can be every so often.

Be glad, however, that ITPs are very unique nerds, and some of the fastest and most observant learners are Ti-doms.

And of course it can seem lonely. After all, ITPs learn in very special ways. Their need to learn fast and "just get it" may also take a toll on others. Not to mention the independence factor. If you think (or rather, feel) that it's lonely, that's probably your Fe surfacing. The ITP at some point in their life will get lonely, and may experience an overwhelming need to connect with others on a personal and emotional level.


It's hard to connect on a emotional level when you have very little to work with.
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Re: Nobody understands the Observational Nature of the ISTP

Post by Khys on Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:42 pm

Thinkist wrote:

The 8 multiple intelligences can even be attributed to the ISTP's functions:

  • Bodily/Kinesthetic: Se mostly
  • Intrapersonal: Ti and Ni mostly
  • Interpersonal: mostly Fe, followed by Se
  • Logical/Mathematical: Ti
  • Musical: Se mostly
  • Naturalist: any of the functions could play a role here
  • Verbal/Linguistic: any of the functions, but especially Fe and Ni
  • Visual/Spatial: Se mostly



I just saw this part.
[*]Verbal/Linguistic: any of the functions, but especially Fe and Ni

Interesting, since I have a Bachelors in English Literature, and I seem to have the most Ni/Fe of the group.
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Post by madhatter on Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:12 pm

khys wrote:

I just saw this part.
[*]Verbal/Linguistic: any of the functions, but especially Fe and Ni

Interesting, since I have a Bachelors in English Literature, and I seem to have the most Ni/Fe of the group.

When I took the Multiple Intelligences test, I scored 100% in Verbal/Linguistic. I think both Ti and Ni are great skills to have for linguistic analysis.
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Post by Thinkist on Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:40 pm

madhatter wrote:
khys wrote:

I just saw this part.
[*]Verbal/Linguistic: any of the functions, but especially Fe and Ni

Interesting, since I have a Bachelors in English Literature, and I seem to have the most Ni/Fe of the group.

When I took the Multiple Intelligences test, I scored 100% in Verbal/Linguistic. I think both Ti and Ni are great skills to have for linguistic analysis.

The bolded word speaks Thinking. Everything else is Feeling. Either way, it's got iNtuition.

I suppose it also depends on what you're writing whether it's thinking- or feeling-flavored.


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Post by mcgooglian on Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:41 pm

I always seem to score high on musical and bodily/kinesthetic.
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Post by madhatter on Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:00 am

Thinkist wrote:

The bolded word speaks Thinking. Everything else is Feeling. Either way, it's got iNtuition.

I suppose it also depends on what you're writing whether it's thinking- or feeling-flavored.


Thinking would probably be used more for argumentation, Feeling for evaluation. But I'm speaking of language in general; how is language in its entirety defined by Feeling?
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Post by Trifoilum on Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:23 am

The problem with understanding is that it's a two-way street. >___>;
That, and mankind are varied-- unfortunately. Even 16 templates of humanity won't be enough; times 9, it won't be enough, times 12, it will also never be enough.

Some people are observational. Other people were directional; others engage with it directly; others saw it according in their values and truths.
and, like most things, understanding was given, not demanded. If demanded, it turns away from understanding and starts becoming privilege instead.

Understand other 'types' of humanity the way we want to be understood ourselves? Smile
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Post by Kayness on Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:16 pm

well Ti is introverted, and so most of the time it's silent to the world, just like Fi, and what more, it's a Judging function.

and this throws a lot of people off because they only have whatever external cues you give out to go by.


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Post by madhatter on Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:16 pm

You're absolutely right, Kayness. When I was younger, I wasn't very good at giving off these cues. I'm still not, but I make a more conscious effort to produce these cues to make it easier on others and myself really...like smiling and having enthusiasm in my voice when I receive a gift. I got tired of saying 10 times over, "Yes I really do like the gift."


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